{"id":1244,"date":"2020-11-07T14:06:29","date_gmt":"2020-11-07T13:06:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/viborc.com\/?p=1244"},"modified":"2022-10-16T12:28:50","modified_gmt":"2022-10-16T10:28:50","slug":"wisonsin-prijevara-krada-izbora-izlaznost-provjera-istinitosti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/viborc.com\/hr\/wisonsin-prijevara-krada-izbora-izlaznost-provjera-istinitosti\/","title":{"rendered":"Je li se u Wisconsinu dogodila izborna prijevara i \u0161to je s tom izlazno\u0161\u0107u?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Upravo je iz tog razloga izuzetno va\u017eno razgovarati i provjeriti tvrdnje kada se taj proces dovodi u pitanje. Iako je na ovim ameri\u010dkim izborima bio (i jo\u0161 uvijek postoji) \u010ditav niz tvrdnji o (mogu\u0107im) nepravilnostima na izborima, u ovom \u010dlanku se bavimo slu\u010dajevima iz savezne dr\u017eave Wisconsin u kojoj je Biden (trenutno) u vodstvu. Je li mogu\u0107e da se u saveznoj dr\u017eavi Wisconsin dogodila izborna prijevara?<\/p>\n<p>Dvije su glavne problematike i tvrdnje:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kako je mogu\u0107e da je u nekim dijelovima Wisconsina izlaznost bila ve\u0107a od 90%, pa i od 100%?<\/li>\n<li>Za\u0161to izlaznost u Wisconsinu ove godine odstupa drasti\u010dno ( i do 5 standardnih devijacija) od uobi\u010dajene?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Idemo redom.<\/p>\n<div class='code-block code-block-5' style='margin: 8px auto; text-align: center; display: block; clear: both;'>\n<!-- Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) - 300x250, 300x600, 160x600 - Place in <BODY> of page where ad should appear --> \n<div class=\"vm-placement\" data-id=\"62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5\"><\/div> \n<!-- \/ Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) --> <\/div>\n\n<h2>Izlaznost u Wisconsinu i nekim okruzima ve\u0107a od 100% je dokaz kra\u0111e izbora?<\/h2>\n<p>Mike Coudrey je objavio tweet u kojem je stajalo: \u201e<em>BREAKING: Wisconsin has more votes than people who are registered to vote. Total number of registered voters: 3,129,000 Total number of votes cast: 3,239,920 This is direct evidence of fraud<\/em>\u201c<\/p>\n<p>Efektivno, Coudrey je utvrdio kako je broj glasova u Wisconsinu ve\u0107i od broja ljudi koji su imali pravo glasa.<\/p>\n<p>Mike je tweet uklonio, ali <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.is\/us8Os#selection-3041.0-3041.193\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">on se nalazi arhiviran pa ga mo\u017eete pogledati ovdje<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Za odgovor na ovo pitanje treba razumjeti kako je u dobrom dijelu ameri\u010dkih saveznih dr\u017eava nu\u017ena prethodna registracija za izbore s jedne strane, a s druge strane mogu\u0107e je registraciju obaviti i na sam dan izbora.<\/p>\n<p>Prvi broj kojeg Coudrey uzima kao relevantan \u2013 3,129,000 nije to\u010dan.<\/p>\n<div class='code-block code-block-5' style='margin: 8px auto; text-align: center; display: block; clear: both;'>\n<!-- Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) - 300x250, 300x600, 160x600 - Place in <BODY> of page where ad should appear --> \n<div class=\"vm-placement\" data-id=\"62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5\"><\/div> \n<!-- \/ Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) --> <\/div>\n\n<p>Prema podacima Izborne komisije savezne dr\u017eave Wisconsin, broj registriranih bira\u010da na dan 1.11.2020 je bio 3,684,726 bira\u010da. To je 555,726 bira\u010da vi\u0161e nego \u0161to je tvrdio Coudrey i vi\u0161e je nego dovoljno da pokrije razliku o kojoj on pri\u010da.<\/p>\n<p>Tako\u0111er, brojka o broju registriranih bira\u010da se odnosila na 1.11.2020. Kako je ranije navedeno \u2013 u Wisconsinu postoji i mogu\u0107nost registracije za izbore na sam dan izbora (the same day voting registration). Dakle, ako se niste stigli registrirati do 1.11.2020., mo\u017eete to u\u010diniti na sam dan izbora. U ovom trenutku mi jo\u0161 niti ne znamo koliki je ukupan broj ljudi koji se registrirao, ali je on svakako ve\u0107i i od Coudreyevih brojeva pa i od podataka koje je dr\u017eava imala 1.11.2020.<\/p>\n<p>Dakle <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>tvrdnja da se radi o izbornoj prijevari jednostavno nije to\u010dna<\/strong><\/span>. Najjednostavnija matematika i osnovno razumijevanje funkcioniranja izbornog sustava u Wisconsinu to vrlo jednostavno pokazuju.<\/p>\n<h3>Kako je mogu\u0107e da je u gradu Russellu izlaznost 101%, u okrugu Sheboyagan preko 90%?<\/h3>\n<p>Ponovno, isto obja\u0161njenje kao i ranije \u2013 dr\u017eava raspola\u017ee s podacima broja registriranih bira\u010da prije izbora 1.11.2020. Na sam dan izbora (3.11.) mno\u0161tvo ljudi se mo\u017ee registrirati i time di\u0107i broj i preko 100%, ne samo 90%.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Za\u0161to izlaznost u Wisconsinu ove godine drasti\u010dno odstupa od one prija\u0161njih godina?<\/h2>\n<p>Sin predsjednika Trumpa, Eric Trump, je prenio niz objava, izme\u0111u ostalog i onu Harlana Hilla \u2013 savjetnika predsjednika Trumpa.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"fr\" dir=\"ltr\">Absolute fraud! <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/XHRRX9680y\">pic.twitter.com\/XHRRX9680y<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Eric Trump (@EricTrump) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/EricTrump\/status\/1324085320296574979?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">November 4, 2020<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Ako ne vidite tweet s prethodne poveznice, evo i snimke zaslona.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1246\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1246\" style=\"width: 421px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1246 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/viborc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/wisconsin-izlaznost-je-li-prijevara-421x416.jpg\" alt=\"Hill tvrdi kako je skok izlaznosti na 89.25% ove godine dokaz kra\u0111e izbora.\" width=\"421\" height=\"416\" srcset=\"https:\/\/viborc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/wisconsin-izlaznost-je-li-prijevara-421x416.jpg 421w, https:\/\/viborc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/wisconsin-izlaznost-je-li-prijevara-316x312.jpg 316w, https:\/\/viborc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/wisconsin-izlaznost-je-li-prijevara.jpg 592w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 421px) 100vw, 421px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1246\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hill tvrdi kako je skok izlaznosti na 89.25% ove godine dokaz kra\u0111e izbora.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I, objektivno, ako imate ovako prikazane podatke, skok na 89.25% izlaznosti, a prethodnih je godina bio oko 70% &#8211; je stvar koja \u201ebode u o\u010di\u201c.<\/p>\n<p>Ali, kao i uvijek, potrebno je podatke malo pozornije analizirati, a ne skakati na zaklju\u010dke koji podupiru na\u0161u stranu politi\u010dke argumentacije, bez obzira bila ona lijeva ili desna.<\/p>\n<p>Izlaznost se ra\u010duna na na\u010din da se podijeli broj bira\u010da koji su iza\u0161li na izbore i glasovali s brojem bira\u010da koji su imali pravo glasa. Broj bira\u010da s pravom glasa (na\u010delno svi oni stariji od 18 godina) je uvijek ve\u0107i od broja registriranih bira\u010da. U Wisconsinu je broj bira\u010da s pravom glasa bio 4,536,293 (podaci izborne komisije, 2019.). Kako je napisano, da bi se na izborima glasovalo, za njih se mora registrirati. \u0160to je do 1.11.2020. u\u010dinilo 3,684,726 bira\u010da. Dakle, oko 900,000 manje nego \u0161to je to moglo u\u010diniti, da je htjelo.<\/p>\n<p>Dakle, izlaznost se dobije da se broj bira\u010da koji su glasovali (5.11. bilo 3,278,963 bira\u010da) podijeli s brojem bira\u010da s pravom glasa (4,536,293).<\/p>\n<div class='code-block code-block-5' style='margin: 8px auto; text-align: center; display: block; clear: both;'>\n<!-- Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) - 300x250, 300x600, 160x600 - Place in <BODY> of page where ad should appear --> \n<div class=\"vm-placement\" data-id=\"62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5\"><\/div> \n<!-- \/ Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) --> <\/div>\n\n<p>3,278,963 \/\u00a0 4,536,293 = 0,7228 \u2013 dakle, <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>izlaznost u Wisonsinu je 72.28%<\/strong><\/span>. \u0160to je drasti\u010dno ni\u017ee od 89.25% koliko tvrdi savjetnik predsjednika Trumpa.<\/p>\n<p>A ovih 72.28% ne odstupa zna\u010dajnije od izlaznosti prethodnih godina koje je Hill prenio ispravno \u2013 jer je tamo podijelio ispravne brojke, a u ovom posljednjem slu\u010daju (namjerno ili slu\u010dajno) to nije u\u010dinio. Dapa\u010de, izlaznost iz 2004. godine je bila i ve\u0107a i iznosila je prema samim Hillovim podacima \u2013 73.24%<\/p>\n<p><strong>Zaklju\u010dno<\/strong> \u2013 Hill nije dijelio ispravne brojeve. U slu\u010dajevima prethodnih godina je to u\u010dinio ispravno, ali u 2020. nije dijelio broj glasova s brojem bira\u010da s pravom glasa.<\/p>\n<h2>Jo\u0161 o ameri\u010dkim izborima<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/viborc.com\/hr\/vodic-americki-izbori-predsjednik-2020\/\">Vodi\u010d: Odgovori na sva va\u0161a pitanja o ameri\u010dkim predsjedni\u010dkim izborima.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/viborc.com\/hr\/uzivo-rezultati-americkih-izbora-2020\/\">Rezultati ameri\u010dkih predsjedni\u010dkih izbora 2020. &#8211; live blog<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/viborc.com\/hr\/100-milijuna-amerikanaca-glasovali-ranije-postom\/\">Preko 100 milijna Amerikanaca je glasovalo po\u0161to i prije dana izbora<\/a><\/p>\n<div class='code-block code-block-5' style='margin: 8px auto; text-align: center; display: block; clear: both;'>\n<!-- Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) - 300x250, 300x600, 160x600 - Place in <BODY> of page where ad should appear --> \n<div class=\"vm-placement\" data-id=\"62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5\"><\/div> \n<!-- \/ Viborc - 300x250 Dynamic (62e91d4ae384d04b3c48e0f5) --> <\/div>\n\n<div style=\"position: static !important;\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Povjerenje u izborni sustav i povjerenje u \u010dinjenicu da \u0107e svaki glas kojeg dajemo na slobodnim i demokratskim izborima biti prebrojan i uzet u obzir \u2013 temelj su demokracije i politi\u010dkog poretka. Ova je stvar istina i u Americi i u Hrvatskoj i u bilo kojoj drugoj zemlji gdje postoje realna o\u010dekivanja od fer i demokratskog procesa.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1083,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[158],"tags":[178,184,30,192,189,174,183],"class_list":["post-1244","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-izbori-politika","tag-americki-izbori-2020","tag-amerika","tag-izbori","tag-provjera-istinitosti","tag-rano-glasovanje","tag-rekordi","tag-sad"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v24.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Provjera istinitosti: je li se u Wisconsinu dogodila izborna prijevara?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Je li u Wisonsinu do\u0161lo do izborne prijevare i jesu li dosada\u0161njem predsjedniku Trumpu ukradeni izbori? 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